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Post by aikidojohn on Sept 29, 2008 14:27:02 GMT -1
I have a Big Game and turned it over, but without help I could not have turn her back over. As she was half full of water.
On Sunday I tried a new to me anyway, way of righting her. It is very simple all I did was to clip 6' of rope just behind the seat. Then I turned her over found the bit of rope through it over the hull, went around the other side pulled myself up with the bit of rope and lent back. She turned so easy it was untrue. I then half filled her with water and went through the same process and again she came over with little or effort.
So what about the water inside I here you as. Well I fitted a bilge pump, just a flick of a switch and she was empty in no time.
My friend filmed this, so as soon as I can get it up on U-Tube, I will show you.
Now if it works on a Big Game, think of how easy it will be on my P13!
AJ 8)
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Post by SEAJUNKY on Sept 29, 2008 15:30:01 GMT -1
That sounds interesting John. I look forward to seeing the clip.
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Post by aikidojohn on Sept 30, 2008 12:37:33 GMT -1
I was fishing in a group at the time. I lent back into the yak as I did this I got hit by a wave and more slid of but the yak came over as well. As I was in a group I did try to self right (done this many times in the P13 but not in the BG) my arms were not long enough for the it was to wide. I new the lads were heading across to me to help so I was grabbing things that were floating away and pulled myself on to the now up side down BG. I have since made around 20 hours of tests to see if I had taken on water before I went over or after. I found that if you can self right straight away very little water gets in but if you put weight on the hull the air pushes out and the water comes in through the front hatch. The rigidity of the front hatch is different on the sides of the hatch than the front and back. I am at the moment making new seals for the front hatch if I can find a better way I will post my findings. I would however erg you all to try your yak up side down and try to sit and paddle it. If you then get water in it you will now know what time you have to self right. With water inside it all changes. You DON'T wont to find out at sea. AJ
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Post by aikidojohn on Oct 1, 2008 20:25:59 GMT -1
You are right if they made a neoprene cover for the big game. But they don't there is no lip any more either. There is on my P13 this works well. AJ
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Post by aikidojohn on Oct 2, 2008 12:25:03 GMT -1
This shows me trying to half fill my BG with water, and then self right. Some thing I was unable to do the way I was shown with out others helping. There is more footage and I will post later. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ne3HPi0k1cAJ 8)
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Post by THURSOMAN on Oct 3, 2008 8:12:07 GMT -1
Hi AJ, It seems to me that you are fairly experienced when it comes to self righting your p13 and recognize the importance of getting back in as soon as possible, but have an issue with your BG and sharing your findings with a view to helping others who have similar problems. Having watched your video I have to say I agree with Hatter3. Even if there were not the issues of personal injury or filling the kayak with more water as you clamber on top I reckon this manouver would be impossible if things turned very rough. Absolutely no offence intended mate. I've found myself in one or two difficult situations out at sea when things got nasty. One time, while heading back to shore a strong wave came from nowhere and pushed me from the side and flipped me over in the drink fairly close to a clett and the swell was taking me to it! I knew I had to get in ASAP or I'd be mince. Even though I had no issues with water inside the kayak or turning her upright it was extremely difficult simply to get back in because of the conditions that forced me off in the first place. That was the last time I fell out of my kayak some months ago and I think as your experience and technique grows you are far less likely to go in the drink. The point I'm making is : when you are forced into the big blue wet stuff as a more experienced kayaker it it most likely because the water has turned very very nasty indeed and self rescue will be more challenging no matter how often you have done it in the past. Attempting to clamber on the way you managed in your video is not something I would care for personally. Perhaps after sorting out your issue with water getting in, you may be able to work out some way of extending the handles so you can reach the other side with no problems. Could a length of rope be attached to each handle with a clip on both sides? When you want to self right you might simply be able to undo to clip on your side then pull it as if you were holding the handle. Not sure if that would work but could be an option to try. Chris.
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Post by aikidojohn on Oct 3, 2008 15:18:29 GMT -1
Dam, I did not make that very clear did I! I was claiming on the BG to get it to fill her with water. Even put my hand under to move the front hatch to make her take on water. You would just through the rope over and pull her back up right. Try this one it might show things beater. www.youtube.com/watch?v=osRz9NHK0HUNo I was still trying to fill her. There is no need to get on the yak when she is upside down, just through the rope over and work your way around the yak and pull. You could even have a line going under the yak atached to each handle then you would not need to work your way around, just pull. When I came off it was at night but I was in a group. I would not have been able to self right as it was half full of water. Now I can self right even half full of water. Arr yes and I have fitted a bilge pump ;D ;D ;D AJ
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Post by THURSOMAN on Oct 4, 2008 16:07:14 GMT -1
Lol, I think I get the message this time. Did your paddle whack you on the head there? Seems to still be a safety issue going on there as mentioned earlier. Am I correct in saying you can turn the kayak round if it is not half full of water the normal way? Having sorted out your issue of kayak filling with water plus having a pump, surely you are far quicker and safer using the conventional way. Or is it that you simply can't reach the other side?
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