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Post by ZEBRA on Oct 31, 2013 10:37:33 GMT -1
my sib came with a pair of ors but i am much stronger paddling with a paddle has anybody tyred paddling a sib with a paddle rather than ors i know i can move about much faster with the paddle i was thinking if i needed to i would paddle from the front of the sib whats the advantages and disadvantages of using the ors or a paddle
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Post by kerny on Oct 31, 2013 14:21:52 GMT -1
my sib came with a pair of ors but i am much stronger paddling with a paddle has anybody tyred paddling a sib with a paddle rather than ors i know i can move about much faster with the paddle i was thinking if i needed to i would paddle from the front of the sib whats the advantages and disadvantages of using the ors or a paddle EE by gum Terry, you can't half tell that you're a hardened Kayaker not seen that done before let us know how you go on mate. Joking apart , a kayak is more rigid and slimmer than a sib also a sib is quite flimsy so using a paddle up on the bow would only dig downwards into the water with the added weight and each stroke of your paddle I would have thought Terry. Also on the sib there are oarlocks on the tubes and a bench seat to sit on while rowing which I think is a lot more easier and back friendly than using a paddle. Also Kayaks are far more superior for paddling than sibs. Anyways Terry why paddle when you have an engine
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Post by ZEBRA on Oct 31, 2013 14:54:14 GMT -1
great answer Steve i was just thinking that if i had an engine problem the more natural paddling for me would be better than the ores but i just changed my mind i guess an hour on the cut rowing would soon sort out the odd action of rowing for me
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Post by BassNasty AKA David on Nov 1, 2013 7:09:57 GMT -1
Has anyone enough experience to recommend a package, ie inflatable plus engine and are you better off going for the biggest possible?
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Post by ZEBRA on Nov 1, 2013 10:42:49 GMT -1
David its no good asking me i don't know but the reason i went for the one i did was i wanted to be able to put it in the boot of the car and be able to carry it on my own down the beach my criteria was air floor with inflatable keel, easy to carry on my own . solid transom. quick to put up on my own and pack away. an engine that i could also carry down the beach.
i spent a good few months looking at various boats but found that bigger than 2.8m was really hard work for me to carry and transport not to mention store when not in use i tried a couple of 3.2m boats but found them just a bit more work than i was comfortable with off the water so that's what i bought the one i did
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Post by kerny on Nov 1, 2013 16:48:50 GMT -1
Has anyone enough experience to recommend a package, ie inflatable plus engine and are you better off going for the biggest possible? Its all down to what you want and need David, like Terry said, he wanted something compact and quick to inflate and launch single handed, horses for courses and all that. The best ones to go for in my opinion are sibs with air floor and an inflatable keel because they will plane but they are more expensive. You do get some good ones that come up on fleabay now and then so keep a look out. The good thing about sibs is that they do hold their value very well. There are plenty of packages going if you want to buy new, especially where you live David. If you see something you like post the make and model, and the dealer you want to buy from, in the sib section or send me a pm, and I will find out for you if the make and dealer are reputable and has good feedback. Things to consider If you want a sib over 3.5 metres ... a. Trailer for towing due to weight. b. adequate storage for sib and trailer. c. launching.
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Post by BassNasty AKA David on Nov 1, 2013 17:36:38 GMT -1
Thanks Kerny. that's very helpful. I sold my prowler elite 4 years ago and bought a linder 400 sportsman with 15 hp yam 4stroke. Was a great outfit but I didn't use it because of work/weather etc etc, I sold this earlier in the year and miss it so thinking an inflatable may fit the bill for next year.I will be learning all I can over the winter in preperation for the new season next year.Any help, info and advice greatly appreciated.
Cheers David
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Post by BassNasty AKA David on Nov 1, 2013 17:44:18 GMT -1
Zebra, thanks that's really usefull, I now know I need only a 2.8m as I need to launch,carry etc on my own and transport in the car.Got a bit weeed off with all that trailer stuff with the boat.
Always a mine of info......Thanks
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Post by philpot on Nov 1, 2013 18:05:54 GMT -1
If I could make a strong suggestion David, it would be to buy a Brava pump at approx £130. Whatever boat you go for, the pump makes life so much easier. My last boat was a 3.20 which took approx 6mins to inflate. I had both 5 and 15hp engines and an aluminium floor, Avon are part of the Zodiac group and the hulls are Hypalon rubber which is very tough so I personnally would go for one of those but, and there is always a BUT, expect to pay much more than a PVC hull construction.
There is nothing wrong with PVC hulls just take care when launching and recovery. If as Terry has fitted wheels which fold up when not in use, the job of getting in and out of the water is much easier. Avoid round transom hulls as they only take small engines and are poor in performance, The extended tube hulls are far better.
A 3.20 will normally take 4/5 adults in safe waters but obviously this should be reduced on rougher water. Fish, cruise, picnic with the family, very versitile and if the pump is used to deflate the boat when finished, they don't take so much space in the garage.
I have never had an inflatable floor model but there is quite a weight saving and on Zodiac Bombard series, the inflatable floor is a deep V shape which I am guessing offers greater leg room as opposed to a flat floor, not a major thing but it might be important to you.
If most of your use is on the sea, in my opinion a 10hp would be a minimum for any distance work, a 15hp is normally a bored out 10hp so the weight is manageable. If going up to a 20hp, the block is normally a 25hp also used for 30hp with some manufacturers so it is worth looking closely at the tech spec as the weight of the engine jumps up.
OMC engines, namely, Mariner,Mercury and Evenrude if they are still in the same group are all good engines so are Tohatsu who make engines for other makers and again have a good name. Honda and Yamaha are very good engines although the Honda, if my memory serves me well are heavier that the others although my info could be a little outdated so worth checking.
I have had several engines from Bill Highham Marine in St Helens who used to have a really big selection of new and second hand engines to choose from. I put Terry onto them as a first point to look at and I think I am right in saying they now do the boats as well.
That only just gives you a start David but I hope it is of some help.
Phil
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Post by BassNasty AKA David on Nov 2, 2013 7:23:05 GMT -1
Thanks Phil, that's all really usefull info and greatly appreciated.
Cheers David
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Post by philpot on Nov 2, 2013 8:29:43 GMT -1
I forgot to say that you have to take into account that a flat inflatable floor will reduce the internal depth by approx 1.5-2'' over a solid floor which simply means if sitting on the tube, your knees are a little higher and is worth looking at one first before buying one from ebay for example.
If budget allows, unless you have really inspected the boat closely, buy the boat new and then you can buy a s/h engine. Just a point Bill Higham Marine give a 3 month warranty on s/h engines, or used to, so you have some come back if you have any problems.
If you want to chat about anything I can help with, send me a PM with your tel no and I will try to assist.
Phil
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Post by BassNasty AKA David on Nov 2, 2013 14:59:00 GMT -1
Thanks for the info guys.
Cheers David
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