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Post by izzetafox on Mar 11, 2015 9:09:25 GMT -1
Phil, I was a member of the AT for one year. I was part of the negotiation team with the VERY senior executives and we formulated a suitable agreement for their support of kayak angling. Promises and assurances were given. Amongst them was the promise of active support and introductions to clubs for access negotiations. This did not happen. I did not renew my membership. Despite repeated emails and telephone calls I received no assurances that the support would be forthcoming. I have had more success working alone on access matters. Simon is a great supporter of the Trust and he and I have had 'discussions' about their merit. Suffice to say our opinions are polar opposites. Whilst I do not support the BCU's campaign for total access to all rivers I do think they offer the best 'paddle' training. On the access point my thoughts are ' Responsible access to appropriate waters.' Rant over. Terry
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Post by spadulike on Mar 11, 2015 12:14:59 GMT -1
Thats not a rant Terry. I asked the AT how would i benefit from membership and what if any access was available in yorkshire.
I got an email back telling me that kayak angling was not a priority and that i would have to talk to clubs direct. They also said that they were committed to protecting rivers and water ways from non angling recreational activities and protecting access for anglers.
They gave me the link to the joining page...they will never get a penny of my money.
The only reason they have a kayak angling section which is hidden away on the web site is to try to control and restrict kayak angling.
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Post by izzetafox on Mar 11, 2015 14:12:25 GMT -1
That's the AT for you.
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Post by BUDDY on Mar 11, 2015 16:21:37 GMT -1
He is independant. Its a good course but not recognised by the bcu. Its a business . The BCU one covers the costs of the course while providing no income. The AT is seperate again. Personally an organisation that is vehemently against kayak angling would not get 1p of my money.I suspect the course content would consist of telling you where you cant fish . I like the flyer where it says..help develop angling access....ha ha ha...note it doesnt say kayak angling access as you are on your own with that one. Not recognised by the BCU. it's a business. AT is against kayaking. All makes no sense at all to me. i would not call myself an instructor as I let my qualification lapse. (BCU paddling) Basic training, Foundation Safety and rescue. First aid. All to be renewed every 3 years. We were trained by level 4+5 coaches. Are the instructors experienced kayakers or qualified coaches renewing their qualifications, With or without backup of an organisation or insurance? BCU are not against kayak fishing but kayaking is first and foremost. AT is all about the fishing but against kayaking. They say some of the fees go towards environment issues. You will already be paying the Environment Agency towards this from your fishing licence. Personally I can't see anything that would want me to throw my hard earned money at the AT. I paid a lot of money to the BCU for my courses and it was money well spent. If you wanted to go kayak fishing I would take a BCU paddling course, get the qualification and then do your own thing, ( staying within the law ) Steve.
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Post by izzetafox on Mar 11, 2015 16:36:13 GMT -1
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Post by BUDDY on Mar 11, 2015 16:38:35 GMT -1
You know I am right
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Post by ZEBRA on Mar 11, 2015 19:47:37 GMT -1
and steve falls in
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Post by izzetafox on Mar 11, 2015 23:58:52 GMT -1
and steve falls in But he falls in the safe way.
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Post by spadulike on Mar 12, 2015 6:03:26 GMT -1
Not sure what you mean Buddy.
To clarify my stance.. simons course is not recognised by the bcu...its a business for simon where as a bcu course at half the price just covers the admin cost and is better.
The AT are not supportive of yakking ..in any form and actively want to prevent access to all even if its wild swimmers.
i wouldnt give the AT one penny of my money...especially as a proportion of it would be transferred to their fish legal division which is taking the bcu to court to stop the right of access thing.
The BCU however have a policy of unfettered access to all waters and seem to encourage some very disruptive behaviour which the AT then uses against all yakkers.
Take the BCU course but as yak anglers i would then avoid both organasitions.
We need our own...Kayak Anglers of Great Britain.
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Post by ZEBRA on Mar 12, 2015 10:54:55 GMT -1
well said spud
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Post by BUDDY on Mar 12, 2015 16:59:22 GMT -1
Hi Phil (spudulike) Changed my wording. I totally agree with you. Steve.
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Post by spadulike on Mar 12, 2015 17:34:08 GMT -1
We need a like button.
I need to get out on the sea..it seems like months...well it is...since i last got out. In May i am gonna be on Angelesy so will post up at the time to get the low down on tides etc. Need to give the d2 a wetting.
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